"NATO still needed to be reinvented. Nobody can tell me that today’s NATO is a structure that, in its foundations, is still pertinent. It was founded to face down the Warsaw Pact. There is no more a Warsaw Pact," he added.
"We continue sometimes to fight against an ideology or an organization that no longer exists with a geopolitical logic that no longer exists and that has continued to fracture Europe," Macron told the Financial Times.
Meanwhile, the UN Security Council 'no longer works' as a means of resolving big regional crises, he said. Its permanent members were 'mad' to have allowed it to be displaced by competing regional formats. A revived council could become a way of avoiding an escalation of tensions between the US and China — but Macron was not sure whether China would co-operate.